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    dredsound
    Deploy to inventory vs. groups and channels
    Topic posted November 20, 2012 by dredsoundBeginner 
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    Deploy to inventory vs. groups and channels
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    Hi,

    i'm touring with 22 channels of UR4D. Everything is quite okey. I'm just starting with WWB6 that's why my question. Deploy to inventory works great except one thing. Is there any chance that after you send new frequencies to channels they will show up also as a group and channel? Because right now i have new frequency but G:-- Ch:--
    Also where can i change value of finding new frequencies? I mean I want to find new frequencies but with at least 2 MHz gap.

    Thanks,

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    • hautzir
      Hi there,

      Why do you neeed this gap of 2 MHz? You have the opportunity to choose between "standard", "robust" or "more frequencies" via "calculate new frequencies" under the "frequency coordination tab".

      In the inventory tab, channels can be assigned to "groups and channels". In the "inventory" tab, right-click on the header and then you can choose "G & CH" to be shown.

      Thanks.

      Ron
    • dredsound
      Thanks,

      tomorrow I will check.

      I want 2 MHz gap to feel more secure :)
    • monty412
      When WWB calculates frequencies, it doesn't come up with the traditional Group:Channel number as you would get if you scanned with the UR4's to find the group with the most channels. That's why it only shows frequencies and not a group:channel designation.
    • S2H
      Thanks,

      tomorrow I will check.

      I want 2 MHz gap to feel more secure :)


      you dont need a 2mhz gap...ever...
      theres no reason to space them that far apart.
      the WWB6 uses intermod calculations to pick the frequencies it feels like are the best options.
      this includes looking at any scan data you have and excluding frequencies where existing signal occurs(whether its another device or TV signal)

      the UHF-R's are approximately 200khz wide, which means you really only need a spacing of about 400khz for them to not directly interfere with one another.
      and because they are mics, they arent ever close enough to cause intermods amongst themselves unless they are all sitting turned on and in the same tray/box together... and intermods dont happen in the airwaves, they only happen at the hardware level(aka...transmitter combines)
    • dredsound


      In the inventory tab, channels can be assigned to "groups and channels". In the "inventory" tab, right-click on the header and then you can choose "G & CH" to be shown.



      can you explain it more? I tried to find it but when i pressed right click on deploy it started deploying to channels.
    • dredsound
      you dont need a 2mhz gap...ever...
      theres no reason to space them that far apart.
      the WWB6 uses intermod calculations to pick the frequencies it feels like are the best options.
      this includes looking at any scan data you have and excluding frequencies where existing signal occurs(whether its another device or TV signal)

      the UHF-R's are approximately 200khz wide, which means you really only need a spacing of about 400khz for them to not directly interfere with one another.
      and because they are mics, they arent ever close enough to cause intermods amongst themselves unless they are all sitting turned on and in the same tray/box together... and intermods dont happen in the airwaves, they only happen at the hardware level(aka...transmitter combines)


      Okey, so i scanned everything, then calculated frequencies and deployed them. It shows everything is okey but on 4 of my receivers i can see 2 or 3 diodes showing something is coming... When i press analize frequencies it is okey...
      So i scanned from the hand those 4 channels (coz they are the most important actors) and after that when I analized almost all channels from 22 were red except maybe 4... So what am I doing wrong?

      Thanks
    • S2H
      Okey, so i scanned everything, then calculated frequencies and deployed them. It shows everything is okey but on 4 of my receivers i can see 2 or 3 diodes showing something is coming... When i press analize frequencies it is okey...
      So i scanned from the hand those 4 channels (coz they are the most important actors) and after that when I analized almost all channels from 22 were red except maybe 4... So what am I doing wrong?

      Thanks


      need a little more info first...
      you scan with the UR4 units....correct?
      and use these scans in the frequency coordination? with all the mics off....?
      are you setting the peak hold level line to a value just above the noise floor of the UR4's?

      they you tell it to do a coordination and deploy frequencies.....
      at this point with nothing on you see signal on several units?

      if this is the case.. then you may need to set your peak level (the red line in the scan/frequency coordination window) to a lower value...
      you should set it to just barely above the noise floor of your UR4 units.

      its ok if a few frequencies show signal, it just means you may need to redo those few...
      the software isnt perfect and there is always the possibilty of human error on settings to make it as ideal as possible

      also, you cant scan by hand and then expect it to work with your other frequencies...
      you have to go into the coordination window, and under Channel Summary - manage channels...uncheck all except for the ones you want to change, then tell it to calculate new frequencies... it will find frequencies for only the ones you leave checked in the manage channels portion of that frequency coordination tab.
    • dredsound
      you scan with the UR4 units....correct?


      yes

      and use these scans in the frequency coordination? with all the mics off....?



      yes


      are you setting the peak hold level line to a value just above the noise floor of the UR4's?


      good question. where can i check it?


      they you tell it to do a coordination and deploy frequencies.....
      at this point with nothing on you see signal on several units?



      when i analized there was nothing on units, when i deployed 3 or 4 units started showing 3 diodes of orange

      if this is the case.. then you may need to set your peak level (the red line in the scan/frequency coordination window) to a lower value...
      you should set it to just barely above the noise floor of your UR4 units.

      its ok if a few frequencies show signal, it just means you may need to redo those few...
      the software isnt perfect and there is always the possibilty of human error on settings to make it as ideal as possible
      also, you cant scan by hand and then expect it to work with your other frequencies...
      you have to go into the coordination window, and under Channel Summary - manage channels...uncheck all except for the ones you want to change, then tell it to calculate new frequencies... it will find frequencies for only the ones you leave checked in the manage channels portion of that frequency coordination tab.

      i know, but i just had no time uncheck it via software so i did it from hand. i am not a genius with Wbench. but i want to be ;)

      thanks for your answer.

      tomorrow we are moving to the other theater so i will check. thanks
    • S2H
      yes



      yes




      good question. where can i check it?




      when i analized there was nothing on units, when i deployed 3 or 4 units started showing 3 diodes of orange

      if this is the case.. then you may need to set your peak level (the red line in the scan/frequency coordination window) to a lower value...
      you should set it to just barely above the noise floor of your UR4 units.

      its ok if a few frequencies show signal, it just means you may need to redo those few...
      the software isnt perfect and there is always the possibilty of human error on settings to make it as ideal as possible

      i know, but i just had no time uncheck it via software so i did it from hand. i am not a genius with Wbench. but i want to be ;)

      thanks for your answer.

      tomorrow we are moving to the other theater so i will check. thanks


      it certainly would have been quicker and more accurate to go in and uncheck all, then just check the ones you wanted to redo....much quicker than a hand scan



      when you look in the frequency coordination tab... you should see a red line
      you can drag it with the mouse to an appropriate level...
      you should set it to a level that is Just a hair above the noise floor of the UR4D's

      try to make it a point to get your gear sooner so you can plug in and scan as soon as possible so you have more time if you should need to redo several frequencies.

      this is where a stand alone scanner would come in useful as you can scan, import, and coordinate before you even have a truck on the dock
      While I encourage people to use WWB to do their coordination, I also encourage people to invest in a stand alone scanner that doesnt rely on hardware that is still in the truck
    • dredsound
      Okey, I did this your way and I think it works now ;)

      Thanks.

     

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