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    Coordination problem in WWB6b
    Topic posted December 19, 2012 by HidefpixCompetent 
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    Coordination problem in WWB6b
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    I posted this elsewhere in the forum but in the wrong area, so here goes again.

    We have 6 ULXD in L50, 2 PSM900 in G6 and an Axient ATX-600 Spectrum Manager. I use WWB6b to coordinate all frequencies needed for our shows. I run a scan from the ATX-600 to detect any frequencies that may be in use but not in the TV database, and eliminate them in the list. I'll then run the "calculate new frequencies" wizard and deploy the results (manually assigning the PSM900). But if I run the "analyze current frequencies" wizard, it will report intermod and spacing errors!

    Shouldn't the calculated frequencies be correct the first time?

    Randy Horenstein

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    • Liam135db
      Hi
      I have encountered this problem recently.
      My rig consisted of 1x AXT600, 6x uhf-r J5, 2x uhf-r H4, 2x 2000iem Aw, 2x 2000iem Bw & 4x G3 G range.
      all units were coordinated with "standard" spacing selected.
      I only noticed the analysis reported errors on a couple of occasions during the tour with the scans being taken from a multi pass frequency plot and saved as a scan file which was then imported to the coordination, of course this means the scan file was static, and therefore the interference reported could not have appeared from a later pass on the scan.
      I thought it was odd, but did not have the time to investigate, the channels appeared clean and the problems reported were mainly on spare channels, by sheer fluke, so I didn't worry about them on those occasions.

      Liam
    • Gino Sigismondi
      Hi guys,

      If could attach your Show Files, along with any scan files you may have imported for coordination and analysis, we'd be able to take a look at them and see if we can figure out what's going on.

      Note that to include attachments, you need to click "More Reply Options." In general, this shouldn't be happening, but any tweaks or adjustments you might make in-between deployment and analysis could cause something like this. In particular, if you use a different scan file for analysis than you did for the initial coordination, that could certain cause a problem.
    • Hidefpix
      I tried to attach my show file from WWB6b, but it's too big (868k). I haven't figured out how to save or import scans from hardware into WWB yet. I know how to do live scans, but I can't save them.

      Is there another set of files that you might want?
    • Gino Sigismondi
      I believe the maximum file size for attachments is 30 MB. Give it another try - if it doesn't work, try sending it directly to the e-mail address in my signature.

      If you perform a live scan in the Coordination area, when you save the Show File, that scan becomes part of the file.
    • shadlor
      I don't know if you ever got this resolved but I too was having a similar problem when I deployed frequencies chosen by WWB6 and then had them showing up red later when I analyzed them with WWB6.
      I usually solve this problem by triple checking which setting I scan and deploy with... "Standard" or "More Frequencies". Then when I analyze them later I have to make sure my settings under 'Preferences' and 'Compatibility Level' are set to the same preference for that device.
      Ex. I scan frequencies for 6 UHF-Rs at the "More Frequencies" level and then deploy those frequencies.
      Then I go in to Tools, Preferences, Compatibility Level and make sure that "Shure UHFR" is set to "More Frequencies" before I do an Analyze.

      I would do the same if I had done them at the Standard or Robust settings as well. As far as I can tell, they have to match up in order to get the same Green result on deployment and analyze. If you mix and match some units deployed at the Standard level and some at the More Frequencies Level, you will not be able to analyze and get Green for both.
      At first I assumed the More Frequencies setting would encompass the Standard and Robust settings as Green and good to go... but it does not work in a hierarchical manner like that.


      *** If I am wrong please let me know because this was several days of trial and error to come to this conclusion and has been quite bothersome.
    • shadlor
      *** I am wrong and my head is going to explode! My initial process posted earlier works with show files that are more simple... with similar mics and few problems to correct. I scan, deploy and analyze the new list and it will show the same frequencies as green. It all is logical.
      When I work on a larger show file with multiple zones, in ears, com, mics, radio etc. and have many things that need correcting... what the scan determines will give me the most green does not show up green after I deploy and analyze them.
      I know we are dealing with RF here, and nothing is perfect in the real world, but I at least need some consistency in what the software is telling me. If I create a new list of freqs that the software says should all work together, I have to be able to come back to it later and have it tell me the same thing. Green should always be green and red be red (referring to in the digital software world only of course).
      My equipment is...
      Windows 7
      WWB6 version 6.6.1.13
      Many UHFR
      Many ULXD4
      Sennheiser EW300 G2, EW 100 G2, EM 3731 and more
      Many PSM 700 and 600
      Many BTRs

      None of the equipment is actually linked up to my computer yet. All of this is just pre-planning in the software. I have 2 scan files I am coordinating with as well as the TV channels entered in for my zip code.
      Some of the zones are not under my control and were not coordinated with the software, so they have to stay the way they are regardless of what I come up with (red before, red after). I do include them in my coordination because they are in the vicinity.
      All of my settings in preferences, for all my units, are set to More Frequencies and and all my scans are done set to More Frequencies. This is not my preference but I am just looking for consistency here.
      Sorry for the lengthy babbling... I hope somebody has some insight.
      Thanks,
    • monty412
      Here's what I've found with my system (20 channels of Axient J5 and 24 channels of PSM1000 across J8/L8.) I'll scan the spectrum and get my CFL list so that all the channels show green when I analyze the current frequencies. If you rescan with the IEM's fired up, they will show as being in an exclusion band since the scanner is seeing something broadcast at that frequency. I haven't seen this issue affect the Axients.

     

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